Hazer/Fazer....confusion
Hazer/Fazer....confusion
Wow, that's gonna a be WAY over kill for this production. I see where you're coming from though. In this case, your experience is helpful, but I know for a fact there is just no way I can afford this unit, much less power it!
The budget on this show is "whatever I can spare", and I've gotten word that I can give up the lighting search. Thanks for the advise though, I'm applying it towards a future purchase as I need stuff like that anyways.
4 IEC's? Crap. That's a lot. Seems like a 30-amp twistlock would have been a nicer way to go as far as ease of connectivity or maybe a 220 circuit.
I am going through my typical stuff right now: Do I buy the higher end item at greater cost up front, or do I go low-end and possibly have to replace it with the higher end product anyways. I have to weight this against the application. Nobody has asked me for a fog machine since I bought and used the Fog Storm 700 in 2002, and my first experience was a defective unit spitting burning-smelling fog. No worries, ADJ has replaced it under warranty, but I haven't even opened the replacement. I had to buy a second Fog Storm 700 because of another job, and then they flaked on me. While my first experience was negative, I just don't have the demand for it. Nobody has asked for ground fog, bubbles, snow or haze either.
The snow I am working on now has need for haze, fog, snow and ground fog. But, with very limited requirements(short times for all but the hazer), it doesn't exactly make sense just yet to buy big. I'm only getting the hazer NOT for the lighting look, but because it will give the shadowcast a "shot on film" look, which is what we, the production team/sponsors, are looking for.
I can get dry ice locally and cheap, but I don't want to fuss with it. I hear your argument for it, and it makes sense. My argument is "I need it for a short time and then it can go away. Movement messing it up might be a desired effect in this case".
Right now, I'm eyeing the HZ-300 for my hazer as I think that is the only logical solution that I can afford, will give the desired effect, works with water-based fluid and still have some funding left over. I'm debating an AMDJ Mr. Kool for ground fog due to pricing. Likewise, the AMDJ Snow Flurry for snow for price reasons.
I think the Ice-101 is too expensive for what I would need it for, but it's hard to ignore stuff with DMX. A Mr. Kool is so much cheaper and I can get a stage hand to run it for nothing. The only problem I have is with the "prime the area", as I may have to have an endless scene run for a length of time to fill up the area, then kick into the show sequences with MyDMX. I will have a MIDI controller for over-ride purposes.
I can get the Snow Flurry for way cheap, but again, I lack the DMX.
But now I'm way, way WAY over budget.
This is a problem I will have to deal with. I want the control, but I don't have the money. Well, that really depends on the dealer I will be buying from, how much can he help me out.
So, opinion, would my best bet be running the HZ-300, Ice-101 and the S-100II as these solutions? Again, outside the hazer, I only need these effects for 1-off uses per show(even including the producer's fogger), and I am trying to conserve power whenever possible by removing what doesn't need to be running.
The advise I'm getting is fantastic. Too bad I don't have a thick wallet. We'll see what I can do. I typically err on the side of better gear. This shadowcast thing is a big gamble and it's going to take me a while to recoup what I put into this, so I also have to thing about needs outside this shadowcast thing, which as I may have mentioned, would be monthly at best.
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Haze vs Fog Machines | Open Forum
Sent: 02-20-2020 20:31
From: Colleen Mylott
Subject: Haze vs Fog Machines
I had seen reviews like yours where it kicked out after only a couple of uses. Sorry to hear that. That sounds like no fun at all... Can I ask did you use regular ice or dry ice? It lasted my whole run and many rehearsals with dry ice... Not sure if that is a useful variable/difference. Could be just bad manufacturing... Maybe there is a protection plan you can add when purchasing through amazon? I was worried because of seeing experiences like this pop in reviews. So far I have lucked out but I feel for you even with the fan fix.
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Colleen Mylott
Secondary Theatre Teacher
Peak to Peak Charter School
Lafayette, CO
Original Message:
Sent: 02-20-2020 19:45
From: Toni Thomas
Subject: Haze vs Fog Machines
That's the same machine I bought two of for Mary Poppins ... they worked well once ... by the second time we needed them one of the fans died ... and one clogged up despite following all directions and using good quality fluid. We used the fan from one to fix the other and so have one working unit (at least as of last fall .. )
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Toni Thomas
English Teacher, Theatre Director
West Branch MI
Original Message:
Sent: 02-20-2020 18:14
From: Colleen Mylott
Subject: Haze vs Fog Machines
Here is what I bought from amazon because I'm lazy :)
I'd spring for some fog fluid too. Cheers! Colleen
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Colleen Mylott
Secondary Theatre Teacher
Peak to Peak Charter School
Lafayette, CO
Original Message:
Sent: 02-20-2020 17:23
From: Kevin Goff
Subject: Haze vs Fog Machines
That looks great! Do you have a link where I might be able to find one of these? I think that might be the way I go.
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Kevin Goff
Theatre Teacher
Beaverton School District
Beaverton OR
Original Message:
Sent: 02-20-2020 17:19
From: Colleen Mylott
Subject: Haze vs Fog Machines
I had the same questions with my last show. Did a bunch of research and ended up buying a Mister Cool Fog Machine (about $300) and running it with dry ice. It produced a ton of low hanging fog whenever needed and no alarms were triggered. I think the dry ice is worth grabbing at a grocery store as it is cheap and keeps the machine running really clean as any remainder usually evaporates. Example pic if helpful... I would assume this would be similar to your needs for Into the Woods...
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Colleen Mylott
Secondary Theatre Teacher
Peak to Peak Charter School
Lafayette, CO
Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2020 12:05
From: Daniel Stowell
Subject: Haze vs Fog Machines
Whatever you go with... practice it in exactly the way you will for the real deal and let your Admin or custodians know when you plan on trying it out... (preferably at the end of rehearsal) so you don't have 1800 students and staff who all have to evacuate during the school day... and the firefighters have to have you come into the pit to explain why the pit looks like it is on fire when it is not. "Nope, those are just gels and a smoke machine... I know it looks very convincing doesn't it."
I don't care what anyone says "Dr. Faustus" is more cursed than the Scottish play.
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[Drama] [Dan] []
[Drama Teacher/Director]
[Dublin Coffman HS]
[Dublin] [Ohio]
Original Message:
Sent: 02-14-2020 11:28
From: Kevin Goff
Subject: Haze vs Fog Machines
Doing Into the Woods and I'm looking at whether I should get a haze machine or a fog machine. I see benefits in both, but I also worry about setting off alarms with both of them. That's the last thing you want in the middle of Last Midnight.
I would love to have some general fogginess in the woods, especially in act 2. Mostly I'd like to have some smoke or fog around a couple of the more magical moments of the play.
Would love some feedback!
Thanks!
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Kevin Goff
Theatre Teacher - Mountainside High School
Beaverton School District
Beaverton OR
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Original Message:Sent: 02-20-2020 20:31From: Colleen MylottSubject: Haze vs Fog MachinesI had seen reviews like yours where it kicked out after only a couple of uses. Sorry to hear that. That sounds like no fun at all... Can I ask did you use regular ice or dry ice? It lasted my whole run and many rehearsals with dry ice... Not sure if that is a useful variable/difference. Could be just bad manufacturing... Maybe there is a protection plan you can add when purchasing through amazon? I was worried because of seeing experiences like this pop in reviews. So far I have lucked out but I feel for you even with the fan fix.------------------------------Colleen MylottSecondary Theatre TeacherPeak to Peak Charter SchoolLafayette, COOriginal Message:Sent: 02-20-2020 19:45From: Toni ThomasSubject: Haze vs Fog MachinesThat's the same machine I bought two of for Mary Poppins ... they worked well once ... by the second time we needed them one of the fans died ... and one clogged up despite following all directions and using good quality fluid. We used the fan from one to fix the other and so have one working unit (at least as of last fall .. )------------------------------Toni ThomasEnglish Teacher, Theatre DirectorWest Branch MIOriginal Message:Sent: 02-20-2020 18:14From: Colleen MylottSubject: Haze vs Fog MachinesHere is what I bought from amazon because I'm lazy :) https://www.amazon.com/ADJ-Machine-Mister-Kool-II/dp/B071H1P45N/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=mister+cool+fog+machine&qid=1582240149&sr=8-4 I'd spring for some fog fluid too. Cheers! Colleen------------------------------Colleen MylottSecondary Theatre TeacherPeak to Peak Charter SchoolLafayette, COOriginal Message:Sent: 02-20-2020 17:23From: Kevin GoffSubject: Haze vs Fog MachinesThat looks great! Do you have a link where I might be able to find one of these? I think that might be the way I go.------------------------------Kevin GoffTheatre TeacherBeaverton School DistrictBeaverton OROriginal Message:Sent: 02-20-2020 17:19From: Colleen MylottSubject: Haze vs Fog MachinesI had the same questions with my last show. Did a bunch of research and ended up buying a Mister Cool Fog Machine (about $300) and running it with dry ice. It produced a ton of low hanging fog whenever needed and no alarms were triggered. I think the dry ice is worth grabbing at a grocery store as it is cheap and keeps the machine running really clean as any remainder usually evaporates. Example pic if helpful... I would assume this would be similar to your needs for Into the Woods...------------------------------Colleen MylottSecondary Theatre TeacherPeak to Peak Charter SchoolLafayette, COOriginal Message:Sent: 02-19-2020 12:05From: Daniel StowellSubject: Haze vs Fog MachinesWhatever you go with... practice it in exactly the way you will for the real deal and let your Admin or custodians know when you plan on trying it out... (preferably at the end of rehearsal) so you don't have 1800 students and staff who all have to evacuate during the school day... and the firefighters have to have you come into the pit to explain why the pit looks like it is on fire when it is not. "Nope, those are just gels and a smoke machine... I know it looks very convincing doesn't it."I don't care what anyone says "Dr. Faustus" is more cursed than the Scottish play.------------------------------[Drama] [Dan] [][Drama Teacher/Director][Dublin Coffman HS][Dublin] [Ohio]Original Message:Sent: 02-14-2020 11:28From: Kevin GoffSubject: Haze vs Fog MachinesDoing Into the Woods and I'm looking at whether I should get a haze machine or a fog machine. I see benefits in both, but I also worry about setting off alarms with both of them. That's the last thing you want in the middle of Last Midnight.I would love to have some general fogginess in the woods, especially in act 2. Mostly I'd like to have some smoke or fog around a couple of the more magical moments of the play.Would love some feedback!Thanks!------------------------------Kevin GoffTheatre Teacher - Mountainside High SchoolBeaverton School DistrictBeaverton OR------------------------------
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